because you were on the precipi precipice, in the beginning, you had to stretch people's minds and imaginations about space. >> well, not only that, we had to do stories that caught your attention, because the special effects -- we had no budget for them. >> right, right, right. so, after "star trek" when "star trek" went off the air. you and your wife gloria schmidt up. you were so broke that you lived in a camper, hooked up to a pickup truck. when you remember that time of your life, what comes to mind? do you even think about that or do you try to put it out of your head? >> no. well, no, i think about it every so often in fear that that can happen with three kids. the nightmare that i see on news that you do, for example of people saying, i'm at the end of my unemployment insurance, i've got all these responsibilities, and i don't know what to do.